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thewood
#1 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:10:47 AM
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Hello everyone,
I am new here, and also new to gibson. I play a Fender strat, which I love, but I am ready for a LP. I am interested in the Standards, and the Traditionals. I read that one is chambered and one is not.
Is this true? Also, what effect does this have, and which is most desirable.
I may not be able to get another guitar for years, so I want to do it right this time. I am also interested in any opinions you all may have regarding your preferences between the different Gibson LP models.
I have played both the studio, and the traditional, and can tell you that between those two, the feel of the traditional fits me better. Beyond this I am just scared and confused.
Any and all thoughts are appreciated.
Regards,
J
Are Nine
#2 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:25:57 PM
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Read this and if you have any more questions, just ask.
http://www.mylespaul.com...son-les-paul-101-a.html

thewood wrote:
Also, what effect does this have you tell me, and which is most desirable neither, completely solid is the most desirable. I may not be able to get another guitar for years, so I want to do it right this time. Just play them and decide which one you like the most. Good luck


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#3 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:44:47 PM
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just buy a Historic Reissue and be done with it....cry once. or twice. or... lol
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:45:45 PM
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I don't think you can go wrong with the traditional. I have a chambered standard---before they put circuit boards in them. I love mine. But, back then I didn't have a choice between the two.

My own concern would be with a Standard is resale value. I have no plans on selling mine--ever. So it is not an issue for me. However, I think history will not look upon chambered standards with a glowing smile.


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#5 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:00:21 PM
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I've always gotten what "speaks" to me...and what I could afford. I'd LOVE to get my mits on one of those Traditionals, they are a solid body guitar like a Les Paul SHOULD be (don't see anything into that that ain't there), not that I dislike the new ones. My big problem with the new ones would have to be the cirquit board thing their doing now...FIRST thing I'd do is get rid of all of it, and replace it with something a little more..."Traditional". Oh, and NeoConMan, I saw another 12 string SG on ebay.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:17:57 PM
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I have a 1996 Standard, a 2008 Studio, and a 2006 Classic Gold top. If I was to buy again I would only buy solid body non chambered guitars.
I admit the Chambered bodies are light, compared to the solids and I think this would only affect someone who plays in a band or gigs. The solid body has a much more mellow tone to it. The Standard and the Studio have the same pickups and there is a definite difference in the tone. I am having some checking issues with the gold top. (Lines around the pots etc) that look like they could be a problem down the road. Another issue is what type of music are you playing and what pickups do you prefer? I would look for a used Standard before they became chambered, they just feel Like an LP and sound great.
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thewood
#7 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:20:14 PM
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Are Nine wrote:
Read this and if you have any more questions, just ask.
http://www.mylespaul.com...son-les-paul-101-a.html





What models of lp are not chambered? Are you saying both the standard, and traditional are chambered?
thewood
#8 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:28:05 PM
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Thanks for the input. That link did help. It looks as though I need a vintage reissue if I want a solid body guitar.
Are Nine
#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:41:30 PM
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Copy/past from the thread - The Les Paul Traditional has swiss cheese holes.

Bluemoon wrote:
I think history will not look upon chambered standards with a glowing smile.

I'd have to agree with you there. Exception being the chambered historics.
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Are Nine
#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:50:20 PM
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Guitarandfeather wrote:
I'd LOVE to get my mits on one of those Traditionals, they are a solid body guitar like a Les Paul SHOULD be

A body with 9 holes drilled out of it is not solid.
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ChanMan
#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:46:20 PM
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Go play them. Solidbody, swiss cheese, chambered are all just construction methods and mean exactly dick once the guitar is in your hands and being played.

Go. Play. Them. You cannot read how it will play and sound for you on a forum.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:49:38 PM
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Then I'm wondering why it's being advertised as non weight relieved? Putting holes in it whether to chamber it or swiss cheese it kinda achieves the same effect, does it not? So calling the guitar "non weight relieved" would be considered false advertising, no? A non weight relieved guitar would in my view be considered a solid body guitar.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:26:28 PM
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ChanMan wrote:
Go play them. Solidbody, swiss cheese, chambered are all just construction methods and mean exactly dick once the guitar is in your hands and being played.

Go. Play. Them. You cannot read how it will play and sound for you on a forum.


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#14 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 6:28:48 PM
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Guitarandfeather wrote:
Then I'm wondering why it's being advertised as non weight relieved? Putting holes in it whether to chamber it or swiss cheese it kinda achieves the same effect, does it not? So calling the guitar "non weight relieved" would be considered false advertising, no? A non weight relieved guitar would in my view be considered a solid body guitar.



Maybe they cut the holes to lessen the weight, but put other stuff (heavy finish and lead hardware made in china) on and the 'weight' ends up being the same. Confused



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#15 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:08:06 PM
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I think history will smile very favorably on the chambered Les Pauls. They sound amazing! Huge resonant growling tone with plenty of bite.

My chambered Standard Faded is a friggin MONSTER!

I really don't understand what the big deal is about chambered or weight relieved. If the guitar plays and sounds good, nothing else should really matter.




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ChanMan
#16 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:18:20 PM
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dcooper830 wrote:
If the guitar plays and sounds good, nothing else should really matter.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:19:36 PM
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Guitarandfeather wrote:
Oh, and NeoConMan, I saw another 12 string SG on ebay.


I was at my local guitar store yesterday and they had a 6/12 double neck SG hanging on the wall with all the other new LP's.. it was used and their asking $2995 canadian
ChanMan
#18 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:39:04 PM
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Fixed!

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(but I'm betting he'll shoot this one down.)


ETA: Sorry for the thread hijack... I now return you to your regularly scheduled topic Blushing
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:12:00 PM
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Generally I consider myself a ''Traditional'' kind of guy. However, I will have to ask myself (and yourself obviously...) the following.

Let's suppose I own a major guitar manufacturing company, one of the world's best, and I have a ''solid'' (on all aspects...!), commercially successful high priced model, of which I sell ****loads every year.

What would be the point of offering a new, ''improved'' version of this model and advertise it as such, if I didn't have solid proof that I am not loosing any aspect of the characteristics that made this product such a success for many, many years and generations of players?

Gibson INSISTS that the new chambered Standards offer improved resonance and accoustic abilities. How many of you guys have you put 2 of them side by side, on the same amp and found out differences? Differences that the average hobbyist - working musician can actually grasp...?

BTW, since I didn't see anyone replying in detail to the guy that started the thread:

1. Standards have the asymmetrical neck profile
2. Grover Tuners (a plus)
3. Neutric jacks (also)
4. Strap locks (at last)
5. Enlarged neck tenon


However, yes, you should just play them! Good luck!



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#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:29:02 PM
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I have no idea how to use this site. I am trying to find out what the serial number on a les paul I have means. HELP
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